hah why, I thought you like the wai diet?panacea wrote:i cant believe i still post on this forum anyway
I wonder what happened with djkvan.. just remembered the endless, pointless discussions with him :)
hah why, I thought you like the wai diet?panacea wrote:i cant believe i still post on this forum anyway
These fruits do not represent the bulk of fruits.panacea wrote:grapefruit..RRM wrote:Can you back this up?panacea wrote:In our ancestral wild habitat, our fruits were almost all bitter. For this reason I believe digestive bitters supplements or eating some bitter food is extremely beneficial.
orange peels are bitter
tannins in grape skins sometimes can taste bitter
cranberries
paw paw
dragon fruit
kumquat
tamarillo
bitter melon
gooseberry
all of these have some bitter components sometimes
and make a poor representation of "almost all our fruits".panacea wrote:All of those fruits I mentioned taste bitter and usually sweet as well
Animals know very well which foods are good for them and which ones are not.no wild human ancestor who didn't use tools could have possibly had the intelligence (in the early stages) to stay away from bitter tasting fruits or inside of orange peels or other mixed sweet/bitter fruits.
then next time you will not eat the inside of the peels,psychology works by association and if you eat sweet oranges and they have bitter inside peels
I never thought that someone would be licking orange peels, honestly.Since when does the wai diet say that you shouldn't be licking the inside of organic orange peels (pesticide free/herbicide free grown in your own backyard for instance), or eating grapes? These are all potential sources of bitterness that until now I had no idea you were against.
You initially clearly wrote "our fruits", and cassava and Atropa belladonna are not fruits.panacea wrote:As far as I know, there are several sweet tasting poisonous stuff in the wild, here's two I found after first google search and first result, ... "Cassava ... Atropa belladonna...RRM wrote:Can you back this up?panacea wrote:In our ancestral wild habitat, our fruits were almost all bitter.
Smoking a cigarette occasionally is not going to kill you, but that doesnt mean it supports optimal health.yes, bitters usually signal toxins, but in the case of fruit seeds or inner peels, it's not going to do much harm, just like getting a little bit of dirt on your hands and accidentally licking your fingers when eating fruit by hand isn't going to kill you
In that concept you may advise to smoke cigarettes daily, to stimulate the production of enzymes eliminating toxins.Same concept with bitter taste receptors which stimulate the body.
Do you really think that we have lost all natural abilities to discern good from bad by taste?And as far as babies or any other state of humans knowing what is good for them, I totally disagree.
They do when you consider wild fruits, not modern selective fruits which are bred for sweeter and sweeter varieties.These fruits do not represent the bulk of fruits.
You seem to love considering selective 'modernized' fruits, which are in perfect condition, as the only fruits, that's just not relevant, or practical, or useful, or anything really.Ripe bananas, oranges, melons (not picking a bitter variety) , mangoes etc.
They do not taste bitter, but sweet.
So I replied with the examples of cassava and atropa belladonna. you seem to have purposely skewed this or misinterpreted this as a reply to your 'can you back up your claim that wild fruits were mostly bitter' request, when it's clearly a reply to your question of 'do you know of any natural food that tastes sweet and that is bad for us?' question.. naming two fruits is not supportive or an answer to the claim that most wild fruits were bitter, so of course this seems as not an innocent misinterpretation but rather an argumentation tactic.but i dont know any natural food that tastes sweet and that is bad for us.
Do you?
and sugar tastes really sweet, and yet if you try to smoke it, it will cause carmelization and cause you to cough, or setting some fruits on fire and then inhaling the fumes, is exactly comparable or relatable to licking something to activate tastebuds, right?.. or is it just a foolish way to argue about things and support your point without any reasoning?Smoking a cigarette occasionally is not going to kill you, but that doesnt mean it supports optimal health.
If we were primitive, with natural upbringing, then yes I believe our senses and our brain would be perfectly tailored to finding the ideal foods in the environment. We never relied on just taste to select foods though, we relied on vision and our interpretation of color and smell as well as tongue taste. Of course, we also wouldn't be afraid to eat things like termites, and I can bet you that your daughter is not going to be like 'oh, yummy, termites!' in her great natural wisdom. We are the most social creatures on Earth with the most associative brains on Earth, coupled with living out of our natural habitat, with zero access to our natural foods (all raw foods nowadays are not our natural foods even if they are in the same category, they are manufactured or processed in unnatural ways, from everything from long shipping distances to infertile soil or wrong climate/soil, unless you grow all your food yourself with optimal practices and location.)Do you really think that we have lost all natural abilities to discern good from bad by taste?
We always have advised against bitter tastes, as all toxins taste bitter.
Im sorry, but you and i really dont know what fruits were available for our ancestors.panacea wrote:They do when you consider wild fruits, not modern selective fruits which are bred for sweeter and sweeter varieties.These fruits do not represent the bulk of fruits.
We are on the Wai forum here.panacea wrote:So I replied with the examples of cassava and atropa belladonna. you seem to have purposely skewed this or misinterpreted this as a reply to your 'can you back up your claim that wild fruits were mostly bitter' request, when it's clearly a reply to your question of 'do you know of any natural food that tastes sweet and that is bad for us?' question..RRM wrote:but i dont know any natural food that tastes sweet and that is bad for us.
Do you?
Primates dont eat wild baby bananas?By the way, since I can't time travel to visit early humans, I can only use logic to discern that since many and most fruits that wild primates consume are either largely bitter
They dont count, as we advise to eat only eat perferctly ripe fruit on this diet., or have bitter components at certain stages in their ripening
I dont presume that.it's ridiculous to presume that early humans always had access to and always perfectly adapted and immediately chose only perfectly ripe fruit, as if that is ever such a luxury in the wild.
When i said bitter usually signals anti-nutrients or toxins,panacea wrote:... just a foolish way to argue about things and support your point without any reasoning?RRM wrote:Smoking a cigarette occasionally is not going to kill you, but that doesnt mean it supports optimal health.panacea wrote:yes, bitters usually signal toxins, but in the case of fruit seeds or inner peels, it's not going to do much harm, just like getting a little bit of dirt on your hands and accidentally licking your fingers when eating fruit by hand isn't going to kill you
Okay, then show me a study that supports your thinking that tasting bitter compounds improves your defense.A logical conclusion is to consider beneficial effects of certain things in some regards, even though they have negative effects in other regards.
Increased acitivity of your immune system due to something you ingest does not equal better health, or anything beneficial. It normally just means it has more work to do.that is exactly the data on the connection between bitter taste receptors and our body - increased immune system activity and increased stomach acid
Against all toxins?we do need gentle stimulation of our defenses to keep them in shape.
Im not talking about perfectly tailored.panacea wrote:If we were primitive, with natural upbringing, then yes I believe our senses and our brain would be perfectly tailored to finding the ideal foods in the environment.RRM wrote:Do you really think that we have lost all natural abilities to discern good from bad by taste?
True, that was a generalisation. I should have said "most".All toxins don't taste bitter
This is the Wai forum.don't change thread titles to reflect your personal beliefs
The wai diet is about optimal diet.panacea wrote:what is so unwai about eating something like a pineapple that is not perfectly ripe?
I always taste the oranges before buying them (/and adding sugar).Also, as I'm sure you know, adding heaps of sugar to your orange juice blocks the bitterness taste from signaling to your brain and keeps you from tasting it