How fast can weight be gained?

[Aytundra]

From what I've read above, I'll summarize it to this:
Procedure to gain weight:
Steps:
1. do exercise [empty the liver glycogen]
2. stop exercise [liver glycogen emptied]
3. eat sugar [can go up to 100g / sitting, replenishes glycogen]
4. stop sugar when liver is full, [b/c more sugar might de-sensitize insulin system; kidneys]
5. eat fat, when liver is full.

6. ???
When do you stop eating fats? what will limit the amount of fats?

Although there is a limit on how much fat you can digest.

[RRM]

6. Keep on eating small amounts of protein and fat.
All amino acids will be used for construction purposes and the of the redundant protein,
the glucogenic amino acids will be used to continue replenishing serum glucose and add adipose glycerol,
the ketogenic/glucogenic amino acids and the ketogenic amino acids to fill up your adipose tissue.

what will limit the amount of fats?

Your body will tell you when you had enough

[Aytundra]

Fatty foods are often accompanied with other things, like:
Vitamin E
Vitamin A
Vitamin D
Vitamin K
Cholesterol
Vitamins ADEK are fat soluble, so these items will accumulate in the body.
Would these limit the amount of fats that can be consumed?
Or would bile acids limit the amount of fats that can be consumed?

[RRM]

Vitamins ADEK are fat soluble, so these items will accumulate in the body.

The higher the ADEK contents of your diet, the more your body will adjust by lower the absorption rates.

Or would bile acids limit the amount of fats that can be consumed?

One of the nutrients that accompanies fat, is cholesterol.
Bile acids are composed of cholesterol.
So, more fat comes with more cholesterol, forming more bile acids for fat digestion.

[Aytundra]

... more fat comes with more cholesterol, forming more bile acids for fat digestion.

So processing fat is actually limited by cholesterol?

Then I'll summarize it to this:
The priority is to eat enough:
1) Cholesterol (for bile acids, as bile acids are for fat),
2) Fat (for sugar, for alleviating insulin system),
3) Sugar (for energy).

How much is too much cholesterol?

[RRM]

So processing fat is actually limited by cholesterol?

Only if your bile acid production is too low, cholesterol may be limiting,
or something else may be off, such as a lack of activity of particular enzymes required for the conversion of cholesterol to bile acids.

Fat (for sugar, for alleviating insulin system

That depends on how your intake of sugars and protein is.
If these are evenly distributed throughout the day, little insulin is required,
but if you take in a lot of food in one sitting, and your glycogen depots get pretty much filled up,
you may need extra fat to take away the pressure on insulin from protein and sugars.
The extra fat makes it easier to store glycerol from protein and sugars into triglycerides (1 glycerol + 3 fatty acids),
so that less insulin is required for storing sugars, which increasingly becomes harder as glycogen depots get filled up.

Sugar (for energy).

Strictly speaking, you can also just utilize protein for energy, or fat.
Protein is not a 'clean' fuel though, due to the nitrogen it contains (which may initially be used for non-essential amino acids, but is eventually converted to ammonium and urea).
Fats and sugars are just carbon, hydrogen and oxygen, which are oxidized for energy, by the oxygen that we inhale,
and all that ends up as carbondioxide (exhaled) and water (urine, sweat).

How much is too much cholesterol?

That is very much individually different.
You need to test that for yourself.
Maybe you can eat 2 dozens of eggs daily. Maybe you can eat only 2 eggs daily.
Your cholesterol levels will tell. (the difference between one year and the next)

[Aytundra]

Only if your bile acid production is too low, cholesterol may be limiting,
or something else may be off, such as a lack of activity of particular enzymes required for the conversion of cholesterol to bile acids.

How much cholesterol can be converted into bile acid in one sitting?

The extra fat makes it easier to store glycerol from protein and sugars into triglycerides (1 glycerol + 3 fatty acids),

3 : 1 , fat : sugar ratio?
Would a ratio like that be better for trying to gain weight?

[RRM]

How much cholesterol can be converted into bile acid in one sitting?

Of course, that will be individually very different, and also depend on the nature of a consumed meal.
But whether it is 3 gram or 0.3 gram, how does that help you?

3 : 1 , fat : sugar ratio?
Would a ratio like that be better for trying to gain weight?

It is the best ratio for storing new bodyfat.

[Aytundra]

How much cholesterol can be converted into bile acid in one sitting?

1 Cholesterol ---> 1 Bile acid.
1 bile acid molecule needs at least 1 cholesterol molecule for synthesis.

Next set of questions:
How many bile acids are in the average adult human body?
What should be the ___________bile acid : fat : sugar ratio?
What should be the cholesterol : bile acid : fat : sugar ratio?

[RRM]

Your convertion question was open to various interpretations, but In my view, your own answer did not match any of these.
What is the purpose of your questions, Aytundra?

[Aytundra]

Your convertion question was open to various interpretations, but In my view, your own answer did not match any of these.

What "various" interpretations were you thinking of?

How much cholesterol can be converted into bile acid in one sitting?

1 Cholesterol ---> 1 Bile acid.
1 bile acid molecule needs at least 1 cholesterol molecule for synthesis.

I know, my question is half answered. A tiny attempt. I still need to know how all the other molecules work around these two molecules.
I answered like that because I don't know what the parameters are for "one sitting"; I don't know what will limit the total volume of bile acid produced, the volume of the liver to hold cholesterol?, the volume of the structure that holds bile acids?...

What is the purpose of your questions, Aytundra?

Purpose: To know the molecules and volumes of these molecules involved in the process of weight gain.


Next set of questions:
Pretending that the bile acid stores are empty, How much cholesterol do we need to replenish bile acids?
(Same line of thinking as refilling liver glycogen depots.)

How many bile acids are in the average adult human body?
What should be the ___________bile acid : fat : sugar ratio?
What should be the cholesterol : bile acid : fat : sugar ratio?

If I assume 1 bile acid can work with 1 fatty acid, then 3 bile acids will be necessary to work with 3 fatty acids.
But is the bile acid consumed in the process? or does the bile acid act as a catalyst? I think it will not act as a catalyst, unconsumed like those protein enzymes, because a bile acid is a bile acid, not a protein, else it will be called bile enzyme.

Hence I will guess:
(3 cholesterol --> 3 bile acids : (3 fatty acids : 1 glycerol) [+ 100 g sugar (+ exercise)]).
1 unit of Triglyceride = needs at least 3 units of Cholesterol.
But I will need to bring the equation up to grams and not units.
And I will need to have a reason why (i.e. liver glycogen stores are limited), to be able to state grams.

[RRM]

How much cholesterol can be converted into bile acid in one sitting?

Your convertion question was open to various interpretations, but In my view, your own answer did not match any of these.

What "various" interpretations were you thinking of?

How much of the cholesterol present in a single meal may end up as bile acids?
How much of the cholesterol absorbed from a meal may end up as bile acid?
How much serum cholesterol from one meal may eventually end up as bile acid?
How much of the cholesterol in the liver can be converted into bile acids during 'one sitting' ? (whatever time frame that may be)
What is the maximum amount of cholesterol that can be converted into bile acids in one sitting? (whatever time frame that may be)
etc
etc
etc

[RRM]

What is the purpose of your questions, Aytundra?

Purpose: To know the molecules and volumes of these molecules involved in the process of weight gain.

And when you know the numbers, then what?

[Aytundra]

What is the purpose of your questions, Aytundra?

Purpose: To know the molecules and volumes of these molecules involved in the process of weight gain.

And when you know the numbers, then what?

To predict accurately in how many weeks, 1kg, 2kg, 3kg... can be gained with a limited selection of foods, and optimized with respect to the body's natural range of functions.

[RRM]

With so many variables it comes down to guessing instead of calculating, i guess.
I think the best you can do is just try to do everything optimally, giving it your 100%.