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abicahsoul wrote:
EDIT: it is also a good idea to not do much abrasive brushing straight after acidic / OJ intake.. since the enamel seems to be a bit porous then, better wait 20-30 minutes.. that's what I learned.. it also makes sense I think :P
That I agree. However, I think it's okay to floss straight after OJ. Why? Because you are simply removing stuck food debris in between the teeth. I don't think there's any damage done to the porous enamel. What do you think?
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no cuz I think OJ is one of the most acidic fruits and your enamel gets porous and when u brush that combo (acidic fruit or juice + brushing= abrasion), but we have a resident specialist...
however I try to avoid it..;)
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Well, if you just floss to get a piece of stuck food debris out, that's not a problem. However, that isn't really flossing.
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Oscar wrote:Well, if you just floss to get a piece of stuck food debris out, that's not a problem. However, that isn't really flossing.
What is really flossing then?
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You have to scrub the teeth, not unlike sanding something.
Check here for a visual: http://dentistry.about.com/od/basicdent ... ossing.htm
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That link says to use a floss containing Fluoride, do you agree with that Oscar?
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My view about fluoride hasn't changed.
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Hey, I am having some minor teeth paranoia.. :)

I have been using fluoride to swish, cuz I was a bit afraid of the whole acidity thing with fruit and OJ and constant eating/drinking w straw.
After reading a bit more here I am thinking of trying to quit that totally for a period to see if I notice something.
My concern is that my teeth seem a bit yellower, and also that they feel and look less glossy...
I am trying to learn bass method. But I looked at one video on youtube where small circular motions on every teeth was recommended, 45 degree angle, soft, and then flicking and swishing the brush upwards once.. I have been trying it out and yes, down by the gums it gets clean alright from the circular motions.. but that single swish and flick upwards is not enough to create that glossy, smooth feeling on the surfaces of my teeth. When I run my tongue over my teeth they still feel matte and also like something is sticking to them.. plaque.. or sth.
Doesnt' the bass method care about brushing the whole front and back of the teeth? Only the lower part close to the gumline?
I am trying to accept that perhaps the teeth doesn't have to feel so glossy after cleaning, but it sure felt better when they were.
Also I am thinking of trying to give up my alternative toothpaste and see if I notice any positive differences..
I have no cold sensations in my teeth since drinking with a straw.. but still I worry..
Is my dentin showing cuz the enamel is harder.. or cuz it is thin? No idea.
And the matte finish on my teeth and the matte feeling.. is worrying me.
I read some of the pages here but not all.
Also I wonder, what are the best explanation of how to do the bass method right?
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You can brush the rest of the teeth too. I think it's always assumed people do that anyway. Unfortunately I can't tell you what the condition of your teeth is, so you have to monitor them yourself.
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Here is a good list of food acidity, on first contact (not to be mistaken with the standard measurement of the affect after digestion). This acidity is apparently the most important factor concerning tooth decay.

Raw plant foods:

Aloe juice: 6.0 – 6.8
Apple, Red Delicious: 3.9
Apple, Golden Delicious: 3.6
Apple, Jonathan: 3.3
Apple, McIntosh: 3.3
Apricots: 3.3 – 4.8
Asparagus: 6 – 6.7
Avocado: 6.3 – 6.6
Bananas, red: 4.6 – 4.8
Bananas, yellow: 5.0 – 5.3
Beets: 5.3 – 6.6
Blackberries: 3.9 – 4.5
Blueberries: 3.1 – 3.3
Broccoli: 6.3 – 6.5
Cantaloupe: 6.1 – 6.6
Carrots: 5.9 – 6.4
Cauliflower: 5.6
Celery: 5.7 – 5.9
Cherries, Royal Ann: 3.8
Chives: 5.2 – 6.3
Coconut meat: 5.5 – 7.8
Corn: 5.9 – 7.3
Cucumbers: 5.1 – 5.8
Dates: 4.1 – 4.9
Eggplant: 5.5 – 6.5
Fennel: 5.5 – 5.9
Figs, Calamyrna: 5.2 – 6.0
Garlic: 5.8
Ginger: 5.6 – 5.9
Gooseberries: 2.8 – 3.1
Grapes, Concord: 2.8 – 3.0
Grapes, Lady Finger: 3.5 – 3.6
Grapes, Malaga: 3.7 – 3.8
Grapes, Muscadine: 3.2 – 3.4
Grapes, seedless: 2.9 – 3.8
Grapefruit: 3.0 – 3.8
Honey: 3.7 – 4.2
Jackfruit: 4.8 – 6.8
Jujube: 5.2
Kale: 6.4 – 6.8
Kelp: 6.3
Kumquat: 3.6 – 4.2
Leeks: 5.5 – 6.2
Lemon juice: 2.0 – 2.6
Lettuce, Boston: 5.9 – 6.1
Lettuce, iceberg: 5.7 – 6.1
Lettuce, romaine: 5.8 – 6.1
Lime juice: 2.0 – 2.4
Loganberries: 2.7 – 3.5
Lychee: 4.7 – 5.0
Mangos: 3.4 – 4.8
Mangosteen: 4.5 – 5.0
Melon, Casaba: 5.8 – 6.0
Melon, honeydew: 6.0 – 6.7
Melon, Persian: 5.9 – 6.4
Mushrooms: 6.0 – 6.7
Nectarines: 3.9 – 4.2
Onions, red: 5.3 – 5.8
Onions, white: 5.4 – 5.9
Onions, yellow: 5.3 – 5.6
Oranges, Florida: 3.7 – 4.3
Oranges, “color added”: 3.6 – 3.9
Papaya: 5.2 – 6.0
Parsley: 5.7 – 6.0
Peaches: 3.3 – 4.0
Pears, Bartlett: 3.5 – 4.6
Peppers, green: 5.2 – 5.9
Persimmons: 4.4 – 4.7
Pineapple: 3.2 – 4.0
Plums, blue: 2.8 – 3.4
Plums, red: 3.6 – 4.3
Plums, yellow: 3.9 – 4.5
Pomegranate: 2.9 – 3.2
Radishes: 5.8 – 6.0
Rambutan: 4.9
Raspberries: 3.2 – 3.9
Sauerkraut: 3.3 – 3.6
Scallion: 6.2
Spinach: 5.5 – 6.8
Strawberries: 3.0 – 3.9
Sweet potatoes: 5.3 – 5.6
Swiss chard: 6.2 – 6.8
Tangerine: 3.3 – 4.5
Tomatillo: 3.8
Tomatoes: 4.3 – 4.9
Vinegar: 2.4 – 3.4
Walnuts: 5.4
Watercress: 5.9 – 6.2
Watermelon: 5.2 – 5.6
Zucchini (Courgette): 5.7 – 6.1

Non-vegan, potentially raw foods:

Cheese, Camembert: 7.44
Cheese, cheddar: 5.9
Cheese, cottage: 4.75 – 5.0
Cheese, Roquefort: 5.1 – 6.0
Cheese, parmesan: 5.2 – 5.3
Egg white: 7.9
Egg yolk: 6.1
Honey: 3.7 – 4.2
Mackerel: 6.3 – 6.5
Milk, cow: 6.4 – 6.8
Milk, goat: 6.5
Salmon: 5.9 – 6.5
Tuna: 5.9 – 6.2

The site I got this from, http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/01/24/dental ... et-part-1/ also says swishing with water and baking soda after an acidic meal is a good idea. Is this recommended?
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My mom just bought me a new toothpaste 'natural care Tom's of Maine', for sensitive teeth. the medical ingredients are

Potassium Nitrate 5% (nitrate ore)
Sodium Fluoride 2.43% (Calcium Fluoride)

non medical are, sorbitol, hydrated silica, zylitol, water, glycerin, organic Aloe Barbadensis leaf juice, natural flavours, cocamidopropyl betaine, sodium lauryl.

What scares me is the warning, right after telling me "all natural ingredients", "do not use for more than 4 weeks unless prescribed by a physician", and "do not use if under 12 years of age unless prescribed by a physician".

Also, should I swish with baking soda and water after an 'acidic meal'? Of course I eat far to often to swish after every meal, but maybe if I know I won't be eating for the next half hour or hour, I could do this and give my teeth a break before eating again. What about swishing with baking soda before brushing, to lower the acidity of your mouth so that you don't brush your enamel away?

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I follow the Wai recommendations on ripeness of fruit, but due to other health problems had demineralized (decalcified) teeth, and some serious erosion of the surface, some time ago.

While it is not 'natural,' the material I used was very effective at remineralizing teeth. It is called MI Paste and contains a type of calcium that can bond directly to teeth. It is available in Australia and Japan, and now the US.

For the time I used it, it was extremely effective at remineralizing my teeth. They are fully calcified now; healthy, and very hard. I did not have to have any fillings, and my dentist knew I was using it, and could also see the results.
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A question to those who use only water and soft toothbrush for brushing.
I've noticed lately that many of the lower teeth on the back side are getting quite some black coating, and on the front side (both upper and lower teeth) tiny black spots appear, which I can often simply remove by scratching with my nails. Do you observe anything similar too? I'm brushing in the morning/evening, otherwise I rinse with water after each meal. I'm thinking the brush might be too soft.
Otherwise brushing with water/soft brush seem to be extremely good for remineralizing teeth.
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I can actually scrape off this black calculus everywhere with my nails, but not with the toothbrush. I should definitely get a harder brush before it starts getting worse. I'm just interested if others have this problem.
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summerwave wrote:I follow the Wai recommendations on ripeness of fruit, but due to other health problems had demineralized (decalcified) teeth, and some serious erosion of the surface, some time ago.

While it is not 'natural,' the material I used was very effective at remineralizing teeth. It is called MI Paste and contains a type of calcium that can bond directly to teeth. It is available in Australia and Japan, and now the US.

For the time I used it, it was extremely effective at remineralizing my teeth. They are fully calcified now; healthy, and very hard. I did not have to have any fillings, and my dentist knew I was using it, and could also see the results.
Interesting!
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